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Grateful Dead Live at The Centrum on 1983-10-21

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Grateful Dead Live at The Centrum on 1983-10-21

Topics Live concert

The Music Never Stopped, Loser, CC Rider-> Cumberland Blues, Cassidy, Ramble On Rose, My Brother Esau, Big Railroad Blues-> Promised Land Scarlet Begonias-> Fire On The Mountain, Uncle John's Band-> Playin' In The Band-> Drums-> Truckin'-> Wharf Rat-> I Need A Miracle-> Touch Of Gray, E: Johnny B. Goode

Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue The Centrum
Location Worcester, MA

Source SBD>>PCM>>Dat>>CDR>>SHN>>DAW(Bertha)>>CDA/SHNThere is another Bertha Remaster of 10/21/83. That version was done with the source that had a cassette gen in the lineage. This version has no cassette gen.


There is another Bertha Remaster of 10/21/83. That version was done with the source that had a cassette gen in the lineage. This version has no cassette gen.


Reviewer: kbmill - - August 24, 2016
Subject: bread crumb
The only Scarlet > Fire > Uncle John's ever played.
Reviewer: Oaklandheadz - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 16, 2016
Subject: Exceptional
Anyone that says this show is underrated must be listening to something different than I.

Explosive energy from beginning to end. Hardcore heads that are willing to give the 80s a chance will be rewarded with gem after gem, starting with the less likely extended "Music" opener. Yes The Cumberland and Big Railroad are fantastic.

The Scarlet -> Fire takes off. Stronger than MSG 81' or Fox 80'. When folks talk about the X factor, the East Coast brought it out of them. As Phil recently said at a Terrapin Tribute show to 1991, regarding New York and East Coast in general: They demanded it out of us!

When listening to mid 80s shows, it seems as if it's the same trend in 83-85 that the shows just get better and better as the year goes on (Spring/Summer 85' is equally awesome) but especially in 83'. They had worked out the then newer songs and were back on the path toward exploring and experimenting with new effects and tones.

Love it. I met some Heads at Terrapin who saw hundreds of shows in the late 70s/80s/90s and said this show AND Springfield March 85' (Bird Song + Let it Grow) were the best they ever saw. Hard to argue.

If the Centrum was characterless, atleast the music usually rocked.
Reviewer: kee-zeee - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 1, 2015
Subject: It's a rainbow full of sound
Great SBD..this is the sound that hooked me and reeled me in~~! I find comfort when I listen to a good early 80s show that captures the magic and fills my head with it..It's like going home and there's no place like home~!! A great show from start to finish and I'm reminded that..The more my brother looks like me~> The less I understand>>>>>> Give It A Whirl>Forever Grateful>Forever Dead
Reviewer: Mooding - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 22, 2014
Subject: No mention of the Space
For about two minutes beginning at 10:42, Weir flirts pretty hard with Sage & Spirit. It becomes very apparent after about a minute. I was working listening to it and stopped 3 times, backed it up (did I really just hear that?). Still new surprises after 30 years of listening, I love that.
Reviewer: doug_the_dude - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 22, 2012
Subject: --
October '83 just keeps on giving. People have pointed out the crystal-diamond quality of this recording, and it is indeed a thing of beauty.

Set 1 - highlights here are Cumberland, Cassidy, and Rig RxR. They even jam out Promised Land a bit longer than usual! Not an altogether dynamite first set, but everything is played very nicely.

Set 2 - ah, here are the goods. The Scarlet > Fire is everything everyone says it is, although played very loosely and nowhere as near as tight rhythmically as we're used to; Playin' holds its own, although probably won't ever get any accolades in the shadow of S>F.

The 'Sage and Spirit Space' here is more of those beautiful Jerry and Bobby only jams they experimented with a lot during this period. It's lithe, lovely, lilting, just a fragile cascade and interplay between the Master and the Apprentice that goes on for damn near 15 minutes - do take this in.

Post-space is no slouch, either - Truckin' has Jane getting her frontal lobes rearranged, and they end the suite with another one of those early renditions of Touch - even without the voodoo context of Jerry's coma these versions are almost preferred.

Another great offering from this period; my favorite show from October '83 has to be 10/15, but this one absolutely is worth it.
Reviewer: highgreenchile - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 16, 2011
Subject: Check out Bobby's Sage and Spirit at about 9:19 during Space
They take their time and do it right.
Reviewer: John Bouffard - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 6, 2010
Subject: Keep on dancin to the daylight
grate stuff from the boys here. I agree with bigdizzy 100%. The Grateful Dead will never be matched in their charity and love for their fans thanks for the free music and some of the best times of my life.

One of the best Esau's
Reviewer: BIG_R - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 31, 2010
Subject: 10-21-83
Nice show. Great sound quality thanks to Jay Ashley.
Reviewer: ShannonsGun - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 2, 2008
Subject: Very Hot 2nd Set!
Very, very nice scar>fire, UJB, Playin', hell it's all good! Nice original into into Truckin-- Jerry noodling around with the Truckin' notes and placing them just a little bit different. Classic to hear the master at work with his crew and his tools!

A BIG shout-out thanks again to Gordon Sharpless for another priceless contribution. Keep pushing the Peace my brother!!
Peace to All
Reviewer: Evan S. Hunt - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 23, 2007
Subject: At First Ho Hum, But Then Ahh-ruum!
I be saying to myself, ho hum. It was good and all, but everything was not yet in place.

Then the second set came on with an uproarious Scar>F that was intensely beautiful, but then UJB>PITB and the whole thing just exploded, you know? I don't know what happened to the sound ~ it just, took off!

The kick drum is so outlandish that it may disturb some, but coupled with Phil's gorgeous one-note-at-a-time salvos stapled to that curious kick beat it is exteriorizing to the human spirit.

Drums>Truckin>Wharf>Miracle>Touch. Every note a captivation. Bobby and Brent featured prominently in the mix also and form a most perfect ensemble. Every note a delight and both drummers clearly present, right there.

Jerry, hearing this, goes ballistic and supplies all the finishing touches, coloring every lost strata of the spectrum of sound blowing through his giant blade of grass.

Every song of the second set sounds as if you heard them for the very first time.

This is a great great show, an unearthed gem, a pearl of pricelessness.
Reviewer: alpine88 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 13, 2007
Subject: my brother esau
just one of my favs
Reviewer: DTSECOFR21 - favoritefavoritefavorite - March 17, 2007
Subject: Something...
This was a decent enough show with not too bad of a setlist, but there was just always some energy missing at Centrum shows.
Reviewer: gruUbic - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 28, 2006
Subject: cumberland heads unite
CC > Cumberland...highly recommended...
love it
Reviewer: BigDizzy - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 15, 2006
Subject: '83 Dead consistently underrated
Much like the populace at large many Deadheads like sounds they've heard before, feel comfortable with, and that have been verified by others as good music. Hence everybody LOVES 60's and 70's Dead and merely settles for 80's and 90's Dead. Dead from the 80's has the 70's beat in a few ways. First, Donna's gone. Second, the set lists are more variable and expansive. Third, Brent. The introduction of keyboard player, who is actually conscious during the shows is a wonderful addition to the Jerry heavy jams and sounds of the prior decade. Brent really starts adding new tones thereby creating an entirely different sound and tone to the music in the first time since the boys re-emerged in '75 post Blues For Allah. Listen to the Burling '83 Eyes. Clearly, I almost stroked out at first listen to the Cornell Dancin. But after listening to everything 60's and 70's exhaustively and exclusively, it's the refreshing sounds of 80's that are bringing me back home to GD.
Reviewer: brokencompass - favoritefavoritefavorite - October 14, 2006
Subject: Not as great as people think
I too was at this show and disagree with some comments regarding this show. While I do agree that the sound recording is awesome, some comments need rebuttal. First off this is not some little out of the way arena. It is a big old concrete mess with lousy sound (Saw many concerts here). The Big River is OK but in no way, shape, or form comparable to the early 70's versions. Brent aping Garcia's lead lines ruins the song (for me). Also, that tinkly keyboard sound also hurts Cassidy, although the jam is good. There are better Scarlet/Fires from this era. Overall, good show...not great. Extra star for the fabulous recording, and effects they were using (particularly Jerry's vocals).
Reviewer: VTRas - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 5, 2006
Subject: on the bus
this too was my first show. nothing has been the same since.
Reviewer: Pastadon - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 23, 2006
Subject: wish
I only wish I had DL'd when I had the chance - It's a must stream - enjoy! - maybe someone will post on the dime.
Reviewer: Soumac - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 7, 2005
Subject: Sentimental Favorite
This was the first concert that I ever went to. My uncle took me, and it was one of the favorite nights of my teenage life. The fact that I can actually have an audio copy of this experience is what makes the internet and the ability to distribute music freely an absolute good.

Great sound quality, great show.

Reviewer: birdsgosouth - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 18, 2005
Subject: Big RxR throwaway??
I don't know, I guess it's all about when you saw shows - I saw 80 from 86 - 93 and only saw Big RxR once, maybe twice.
Reviewer: The Bopper - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 11, 2005
Subject: Cassidy
Reviewer: The Bopper - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 11, 2005
Subject: Cassidy
This version of Cassidy made me like this song again. Best one I've heard.

As Utopian said (and I always appreciate his taste for sound quality), this show sounds fantastic. And watch out for the bass.
Reviewer: early 80's meltdown - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 7, 2005
Subject: Yea,
This recording is sick. I agree wish more 83's were recorded this good. The Cumberland is smokin hot as is whole show. Killer venue might have something to do w/ it.
Reviewer: herschelkrustofsky - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 11, 2004
Subject: great recording, great show
This is the recording to get of this fine show. I tried the FOB aud. and it does not come close to standing up to this one.

While there are many highlights throughout, I will take an unusual step and focus this review on what is often a throw away (albeit fun and upbeat) 1st set tune:


This is the version that makes all others obsolete. If there is a better one, I haven't heard it. The song is a rollicking psychedelic stomp. The band locks in early and turns the two extended jams inside out. Jerry's playing is reminicent of the JGB shows from this era where he plays on and on, taking one interesting turn on the main musical idea after another. As is the case when things are going well, the band is right there with him to cajole, suggest, add and support to create what is a virtual playground of music complete with monkey bars, slides, swings, and those spinny things that can make you dizzy if you're not careful. I challenge you to not dance while listening to this song. It is not a bet you should take.
Reviewer: flashbackmagic - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 20, 2004
Subject: nice show
great energy thru-out, and incredible sound! Too bad more dont sound like this!
Reviewer: utopian - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 3, 2004
Subject: Holy F^#%&(*& S*^%
Audiophiles hold onto you hats.

This is hands down one of the hottest recordings I have ever had in my collections of Dat, Analog, Wav's. I have the Silberman Fob Senn 441 on dat and it sounds great, but this sounds bloody fantanstic, it makes later sbds pale in comparison.

With lots of bottom end and a punchy mindrange and almost no hiss this thing should make us all scratch our heads as to why they all don't sound this good.

Great show as well. A tight drummer led band groove sets in from the get go. Jerry is along for the ride but the band as a whole is firing on all points.


Turn down the bass in loser
phil drops a couple fo big ones.
Reviewer: velociraptor - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 20, 2004
Subject: a real treat
These shows were really fabulous and epitomized how counter-culture the Grateful Dead really were. It was all about the music. Who else would go into a nice little theater off the beaten path and play their asses off two nights in a row (check out the night before, too- especially the second set)?

I have another copy of this show which has a brighter high end and less bass. I am not all that ga-ga about the way this sounds with the Bertha remaster. This is in no way a negative reflection on the nice soul who put this show on the Internet, just a personal preference.
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